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A little about me

I am a husband and father and have been born again for about 15 years. I love biblically sound teachings and hate personal opinions being preached  as God’s word.

The sole purpose of this blog is Christ as He has been revealed in the Word. Looking and examining God’s word without personal interpretation but allowing the scriptures speak for itself.

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  1. Lionel Woods
    Jun 08, 2009 @ 14:28:38

    I really like the site. I am going to add it to my feeds brother.

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  2. Kimetha Jones
    Sep 24, 2009 @ 00:17:26

    I’ve been enjoying your blog entries greatly. (It is refreshing to see someone else who belives in examing God’s WORD and not using personal interpretation to understand the Bible.

    Since you are passionate about tithing , I was wondering if you’d be interested in reviewing my Pastor’s book “Robbing God? I’m planning virtual book tours in November and August, so if you are willing, I’d love to have you host us on one or both of those months.

    I’ve attached a short blurb about the book, and if you’d like more information, please check out the website at http:// http://www.lmcneese.com. Then, if you are interested, please e-mail me back and I’ll be glad to send you more information

    ARE YOU ROBBING GOD ?
    TAKE THE TITHES TEST

    In this masterful edition Pastor LaMonte McNeese uses tough questions in a Socratic counseling format to help you discover the REAL truth of this controversial issue

    1. In the Bible all pastors, prophets and preachers received tithes. T/F
    2. Jesus Christ did or could have taken tithes from his followers. T/F
    3. The storehouse mentioned in Mal. 3:10 refers to the local church. T/F
    4. There are many New Testament examples of tithing. T/F
    5. Moses preferred a monetary tithe, but occasionally allowed other forms. T/F

    If you answered “T” to any of these you failed the test!

    ROBBING GOD is an effective tool for counseling the toughest critics of the tithe. Pastors, teachers and anyone who loves the word of God should have a copy of this book.

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    • eliteinchrist
      Sep 26, 2009 @ 00:53:39

      Hi Kimetha,

      Thanks for stopping by. It is a pity that today’s believer would rather bend the Word to suit themselves than to bend themselves to suit God’s word.

      I would be very grateful if you could send me more information about the book, your pastor and yourself.

      Many thanks

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  3. darryl
    Aug 06, 2012 @ 13:52:49

    Hi Please can you give your comments on “Spiritual fathering’ and Set man. Apostolic teachings by Thamo Naidoo and company. Also have you read the book More excellent giving byRandolph Barnwell , and Kingdom Economics by Thamo Naidoo. They preach that your tithes , firstfruits and offerings go to the Melchiezedek, that is themselves the “spiritual father’ apostolic source or set man as they call tehmselves

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    • eliteinchrist
      Aug 09, 2012 @ 13:26:17

      Hi Darryl,

      Am so sorry for the late response. This kind of teaching is straight from the pit of hell. It is definitely manipulation through and through. The only set man of the church is Christ as scripture tells us He is the head of the church.

      Melchizedek was a man and the only person who tithed to him was Abraham. Nowhere in scripture have we been commanded to do likewise. Melchizedek was likened to Christ and not to any money grabbing preacher.

      I hope this answers your question.

      Thanks
      – Tony

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  4. darryl
    Dec 02, 2013 @ 17:09:38

    Dear Tony

    Be blessed brother for the Truth sets us free from the bondages of Satan and his followers. I have posted some articles for you to read. your feedback will be greatly appreciated. You can google me on Daryl samuels…firstfruits tithes and offerings and other articles on paidonbooks with Neil Girrard. Have you read the book Relationshiop vs Religion by Renette Vermeulen…great book

    Take care stay blessed and rested in Christ….Darryl

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  5. eliteinchrist
    Dec 30, 2013 @ 17:32:01

    Hi Darryl,

    Thanks for the articles. I will look through them as soon as I can.

    God bless!

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  6. Darryl
    Jan 28, 2014 @ 21:28:03

    dear Tony

    Have you read those articles I sent you. Your thoughts on the subject matter is always appreciated.

    Take care stay blessed and rested in Christ…Darryl

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    • eliteinchrist
      Jan 30, 2014 @ 16:14:58

      Hi Darryl,

      I did read it a little bit but it’s really long though. It will help if you can break them up into about 4 or 5 paragraphs and just name them part 1, part 2 etc. That will make it a lot easier to read.

      God bless!

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  7. Chrissy
    Jul 19, 2014 @ 02:25:47

    Hi Tony…My name is Chrissy and I am in full agreement with you about Tithing and how others are bound by the OT, rather than the Blood Of Jesus Christ. I saw your comments on another’s page and just commented myself in agreement with you stating more than enough scripture to back up what I learned. I’m glad I found you and so pleased when I come across a believer who see’s and knows the Truth of His Word.

    Here is what I replied back to “Christian at Home work Ministry ” page you commented also on about rebuking the devourer verse that she thought she had an epiphany on and maybe your readers would also benefit with. God Bless!:

    There is no tithe in the New Covenant so they cannot apply to us.
    Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: (Rom. 3:19)

    The Law is not speaking to the new creation in Christ. It was never intended for us. We live in a much higher and better relationship with God.

    Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. (Gal. 3:24–25)

    In the New Covenant we are sons of God. We are joint heirs with Jesus of all things. Jesus owns everything in both the seen and unseen worlds, and we are joint owners with him. This covenant is like a marriage, where 100 percent is owned by both parties and is at all times committed to the other’s use.

    People who teach tithing say they are not promoting the Law. However, the only instructions on tithing that came from God came through the Law to people who were under the Law. That was the only group of people he ever instructed to tithe.

    The subject of tithing, Malachi 3:8–11. It is another Old Covenant passage that is being wrongly applied to life in Christ.
    If You Don’t Tithe You Are a God-Robber

    Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. (Mal. 3:8)

    Under the Old Covenant the tithe was the Lord’s and the children of Israel were robbing God when they didn’t give it to him. We have a completely different relationship to God. The New Covenant is actually between God the Father and Jesus. Therefore, it is perfect and eternal because it does not depend on a fallible human who might break it. We are included in the New Covenant by our spiritual union with Jesus and we share his covenant relationship with the Father.

    The Father has already given everything there is to the Son. Jesus Christ is the rightful Lord and owner of all things. By virtue of being in Christ and being his body we are joint owners of all things with him.

    For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. (Rom. 4:13)

    Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. (Gal. 3:16)

    And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal. 3:29)

    Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s. (1 Cor. 3:21–23)

    We have no possessions that are ours separately from Jesus Christ. Everything belongs to him and us together, so there is no such thing as robbing God by not tithing. The commitment in this covenant is 100 percent from both parties. The issue is not tithing; it’s following the Holy Spirit’s leading at all times.

    Our standard today is not 10 percent, it is Christ himself who gave everything. Paul is an example for us:

    But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, (Phil. 3:7–8)

    A Curse Will Come on You If You Don’t Tithe?
    Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. (Mal. 3:9)

    God had given Israel the Law over one thousand years before the prophet Malachi spoke those words. God told Israel very clearly what the blessing would be for keeping the Law and what the curse would be for breaking it. Over the years Israel broke it repeatedly and suffered the curse as punishment. That was the nature of their covenant.

    There is no curse upon us in Christ. It isn’t part of our covenant. Jesus bore it and completely redeemed us from it.

    Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: (Gal. 3:13)

    Those who teach that there is a curse for not tithing are contradicting the most basic truths of the New Covenant. However, if you put yourself back under the Law you will put yourself under the curse.

    For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. (Gal. 3:10)

    Life in Christ works by a different spiritual process, which is not compatible with the Old Covenant paradigm.

    Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; (Rom. 4:16)

    We Are Commanded to Prove God with the Tithe?

    Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. (Mal. 3:10)

    Just as there was a curse for breaking the Law, there was a blessing for keeping the Law. Israel was challenged to keep the law of tithing and thereby put God to the test. Malachi 3:10 was not written to the church.

    We are operating from a completely different perspective. God has already given us everything in our union with Christ. We don’t do things to earn blessings. Neither is there a curse upon us if we fall short. God is looking for mature sons who will abide in Christ and allow him to live through them. God wants us to walk by faith and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, not tithe.

    The mind we have in Christ is a consciousness of already having all needs met, even though the provision may not be seen in the natural realm. That is faith. The idea that giving will cause God to do something is not faith, it’s a mentality of lack and manipulation. When giving is based on love for people and faith that God has already provided for you, then it’s in agreement with the truth

    The New Covenant doesn’t operate by generic standards like the tithe. It is administrated by the Holy Spirit in a way that is unique to each person and situation. Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell everything, give the money to the poor, and come follow him. (Matt. 19:16–30, Luke 18:18–30) Those instructions were unique to him. A tithe would not have been sufficient.

    In 1 Timothy 6:17–18 the rich are not commanded to give everything away like the rich young ruler was. They are instructed how they should use their wealth. When Peter asked Jesus what would be required of John, he was told that it was none of his business. (John 21:20–22) God deals with each person and situation individually.

    There are many ways that faith can be expressed; however, they will all be uniquely inspired by the Holy Spirit for the specific situation. Faith is what God is looking for now, not tithing.

    But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (Heb. 11:6)

    So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. (Gal. 3:9)

    The difference between faith and works is a matter of the heart. Something that’s done to get a blessing is a work. Something that’s done because you believe you already have all blessings is an action of faith. Grace and works do not mix. Either we are blessed as a free gift of grace or we are blessed because of our works.

    Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (Rom. 4:4–5)

    And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. (Rom. 11:6)

    Tithing Rebukes the Devourer???????????????

    And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. (Mal. 3:11)

    God promised to rebuke the devourer if Israel would keep their covenant obligation to tithe. If they didn’t, the curse of destruction would come on them.

    Again, the New Covenant operates differently than the Old. Jesus has already defeated the devil, redeemed us from his works, and delivered us out of his authority. It’s all based on Jesus’ shed blood, not on tithing. We are not waiting for God to rebuke the devourer. Jesus has given us the authority and the responsibility to use his name to enforce his finished work.

    The New Testament graphically describes the devil’s defeat and Jesus’ triumph.

    And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. (Col. 2:15)

    Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. (Heb. 2:14–15)

    Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: (Eph. 1:20–21)

    The New Testament is very clear that everything Jesus did in his death, burial, and resurrection was for our benefit and that we now share his complete victory and authority over all the power of darkness.

    Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: (Eph. 2: 5–6)

    Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: (Col. 1:12–14)

    For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: (Col. 2:9–10)

    Through Christ we are in a place of victory and authority that was unknown to the people of God in previous covenants. God had servants under the Law, and if they kept the Law he could bless them. God now has sons in Christ and expects a different way of living from them. He has given us a staggering amount of authority in the name of Jesus and the responsibility that goes with it.

    Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Matt. 18:18)

    Behold, I give unto you power (authority) to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. (Luke 10:19)

    And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power (authority) is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (Matt. 28:18)

    And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark 16:17–18)

    Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Phil. 2:9–11)

    God is not waiting to rebuke the devourer for those who tithe; he has already thrashed him! Any man in Christ has the benefit of that total victory without tithing. Putting people’s attention on tithing as the source of their protection from the devil is a deception. It keeps them in a weak, Old Covenant mindset. It distracts them from their responsibility to bind the devil and cast him out in Jesus name.

    The Tithe Is the Connection to the Covenant???

    Tithing has been wrongly exalted beyond the actual importance that it did have in the Old Covenant. Sometimes it seems that tithing has become the paramount issue in Christian preaching and teaching. However, in the covenant that God made with Israel at Mt. Sinai, tithing was just one of the Law’s many requirements.

    In God’s covenant with Abraham, tithing was not included. God guaranteed that covenant without any requirement of tithing. Tithing is not part of the New Covenant either. It is based on the blood of Jesus alone.

    For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. (Matt. 26:28)

    Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? (Heb. 10:29)

    God knew that the only way to provide salvation and blessing to man was to provide it as a free gift. Man was incapable of contributing anything. Jesus provided all that was required, his own shed blood. Salvation is by grace and it includes every benefit purchased by the blood of Jesus at the cross. If prosperity or any other covenant blessing depended on the tithe, then the tithe would be purchasing it, not the blood of Jesus.

    The New Covenant is a blood covenant not a tithe covenant. Faith is the connection, but it is faith in the shed blood of Jesus, not faith in tithing. Making tithing a requirement to maintain the covenant is just as wrong as making it a requirement to enter the covenant.

    Taken from the book of Malachi that says if you bring the tithe into the storehouse (the church), God will “rebuke the devourer”.

    But, let me ask you a question:

    When Satan comes to you, with a temptation–with a problem–with a torment—trying to devour you–what do you do? What do you say to Satan when he comes to harass you and destroy you and devour you??

    Do you say “Get back devil–I rebuke you with my tithe!”

    I don’t think so!

    Instead–when Satan comes to steal from you–to hurt you–to hurt your family—your job–your finances—when Satan comes to devour you, don’t you say…

    “Get back devil—BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST!!”

    Of course you do! You know what works against Satan and his demons—THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST—RIGHT!?

    You know your authority in God—you know as a believer that the name of Jesus Christ rebukes every demon in hell–the name of Jesus rebukes the devil–the blood of Jesus rebukes Satan and sends him flying back to hell–you know this–because you’ve done it–and it works–and you know that this is the authority the word of God gives every believer–in the new covenant…

    Lu 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

    Mr 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

    The New covenant had a better sacrifice than the old–we must understand this point!

    The tithe of the old covenant, was, for Israel at that time, the blood offering which forgave their sin.

    The tithe was always animals or grain. THE TITHE WAS BLOOD.

    In the new covenant, Jesus called Himself meat and bread and offered His blood. You know this–right!? And you know that the new covenant sin offering–the blood of Jesus, is what rebukes the devourer–it is the blood of Jesus which protects you and your family and your finances from the plans of the enemy–right?

    Which is greater—your obedience to law–or the obedience of Jesus to the cross?

    You know the answer–we are saved by grace–not by works—right?

    We are made safe by His obedience–by His sacrifice–which is greater than anything we could do, or any offering we could make–or any law we could obey—right?

    The tithe paying of Israel was a type–a shadow (Israel is a shadow of the church–not the other way around!—of what Jesus would do in the new covenant.

    Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

    Think of what Israel was doing: they were taking 1/10th of the increase of certain herd animals and grain–offering it for sin–in the process God promised that He would rebuke the devourer. This is a shadow of what Jesus would do—He offered Himself–the perfect (and final!) sacrifice for all sin. In the process, the authority of the blood of Jesus rebukes the devourer for the Christian. (You know it because you have used His blood for this purpose so many times!!)

    Once again–as with everything in the new covenant, the Christian has grace–a free gift–of salvation–healing–and deliverance from the enemy. The new covenant gives us the unconditional love of God found in faith in Christ–not based on our own works –but the gift of God that He sent his only Son to die in our place–to shed His blood–which heals us–and delivers us from every snare of the enemy.

    The shadow of the old covenant in this area was based on Israel’s obedience–based on their following of the laws of God with regard to sin offering. Israel had to get it right–they had a condition on the rebuking of the devourer–they had to make right and correct sin offerings (and if we read the book of Malachi in context we see that this was exactly what Israel was doing wrong at that time).

    Now, after Christ, Gods love is unconditional–His salvation is unconditional–His healing is unconditional–and the rebuking of the devourer is not based on our obedience to the law–but on THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST.

    Unconditional love.

    Now, you know that it is His blood which rebukes the devourer—so–

    Why do you pay tithe?

    If you truly believe that it is your tithe paying that rebukes the enemy, aren’t you in danger of turning away from grace, and believing that it is your own works which save you?

    2 Corinthians 9:7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

    The Tithe Deception verses ministries use on you:

    In Malachi 3:10 Bring all the tithes into the store house, that there may be food in My house (isn’t it strange that God no longer has a house (building) because He allowed it to be destroyed and born again Christians are His house now, so I fail to see how we can do this) and test Me on this (in Matthew Jesus said you do not put the Lord your God to the test) if I will not open the flood gates of heaven and pour out all the blessings you need (people who tithe do not this is lack of faith and they think that they have to bribe God to get the blessing they already get through Abraham and his Seed),

    In Malachi 3:11 and I will rebuke the devourer for your sake (isn’t it strange that most people who tithe have serious financial problems and have to go forward for prayer and have the devourer rebuked in the Name of Jesus. Is God a liar? No! The answer is in Galatians 5:4. If you try to be made right with God through the law, your life with Christ is over. You have left God’s grace.

    Isn’t it a shame that our brothers and sisters get drawn into this situation, (we have been there but praise God He set us FREE) where they have divorced them selves from Christ and prostituted them selves with a law they have been set free from (Gentiles were never under this or any law we are free in Christ, set free by His Precious Blood) and have to ask Jesus to rebuke the devourer who they have deserted. We never hear the pastor or who ever ask them if they are tithing and set them free from the curse of the law and bring them back to Jesus.

    Those who preach the tithe say that they are being blessed, but we know that the devil can bless.

    The Israelites in the Old Testament saw that other peoples living near by were getting blessed better than them because they found it almost impossible to keep the 613 written and oral law so they started to worship these foreign god so that they would get bless, especially as they were farmers.

    Jesus was born under the law, did He tithe, keep the Sabbath or any of the law’s? yet He fulfilled the law and nailed it on the cross, it is finished. If tithing was in any way important then Jesus would have tithed and kept the law. Jesus fulfilled all the law by LOVE.

    It is wonderful when we are able to set Christians free who have financial problems and to know that they will be blessed and see them come in blessings from our Lord and Savior.
    ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
    (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Chrissy (♥‿♥)

    “Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.” —Psalm 119:105

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    • eliteinchrist
      Jul 22, 2014 @ 08:13:13

      You just made my day Chrissy! God bless you.

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    • Darryl
      Sep 28, 2014 @ 15:36:42

      Dear friend In Christ…Amen as you have hit the bulls eye accurately regarding your comments that is biblically aligned…Praise God….see articles on paidionbooks by Neil Girrard and others….also google Renette Vermeulen nowunbanned and im sure you will find exactly the same

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    • Darryl
      Sep 28, 2014 @ 15:42:02

      Dear Friend in Christ…may God bless you in also aiding the body to be set free from the dogmas of men.
      Take care, stay blessed and rested in Christ….Darryl

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      • Chrissy
        Oct 06, 2014 @ 02:10:34

        Hi Darryl~~!
        Thank you for posting Neil and Renette info. I looked them up and what a BLESSING to see their testimonies and writings!!
        It is hard these days to find people who really know and preach God’s Hoy Truth for fellowshipping with. Thank you again.
        Be Blessed!
        Chrissy

  8. Chrissy
    Jul 22, 2014 @ 20:27:21

    🙂 & May he always bless you!
    Numbers 6:24-26
    The Lord bless you and keep you;
    The Lord make His face shine upon you,
    And be gracious to you;
    The Lord lift up His countenance upon you,
    And give you peace.

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  9. darryl
    Feb 26, 2015 @ 20:49:55

    Hi Chrissy..Im so Glad your found the site helpful. Take Care stay blessed and rested in Christ….Darryl

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  10. Kim
    May 31, 2015 @ 08:15:23

    Thankyou for your teaching on tithes xx

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  11. Agapekind
    Aug 17, 2015 @ 17:33:53

    Hello EliteinChrist, thank you for your comment on my blog with regards to Tithing. I was going to respond to it but I wasn’t sure if you ‘d see it so I followed your link. I appreciate your comments because I realize the words I used can lead to misunderstanding, from your comment. For example, yes indeed…we ‘re blessed in Christ so the word blessing in the article is not “blessing” as it were; I was referring to “increase”. I also agree with you on giving anywhere from 1% – 100% BUT anyone who wants to follow in the steps of Abraham can start from 10%. Regardless of the context of Hebrews, the bible interpreted Abraham’s action as “…first being by interpretation King of righteousness”, which means he did the right thing? He was blessed, saw how blessed he was, appreciated it & then he gave… 🙂 I will read through it again & see if it is better to leave out Hebrews & stick with the old testament. Thank you for stopping by! 🙂

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    • eliteinchrist
      Aug 20, 2015 @ 11:03:06

      Hi Agapekind,

      Thanks for returning the favour and stopping by as well.

      If we claim we are following Abraham’s example of tithing, ours is far removed from his. His was a one off and from the spoils of war. It did not determine his prosperity as he was already well wealthy neither did it impact the covenant he had with God. In other words there is no basis for insisting that 10% is following in Abraham’s footsteps. And do not forget that God also required circumcision from Abraham and his descendants but no one preaches that.

      On the other hand we’ve not been enjoined to be like Abraham instead we’ve been told to be like Christ. So Abraham is not our standard, Jesus is. And the Old Testament is pretty clear on what constitutes the tithe; money is not one of them.

      We’ve been given the freedom to give anything we like and nowhere in scripture do we see it pegged at a 10% minimum.

      God bless.

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      • Agapekind
        Oct 16, 2015 @ 14:30:26

        lol, I didn’t come here to argue over this. You seem pretty sure about what you think & I am also sure about what I ‘ve written. I ‘ve written what I ‘ve written with proofs. I give Tithe & I give based on Revelation, the living word – not just analyzing scriptures with mental capacity or intellect, but with proofs of the living word. I share to help people achieve what I ‘ve also achieved & I am not telling anybody to do what I do not do. Now if you do not give Tithe & you ‘re okay with that, that’s fine 🙂 Like I said, I ‘ve seen advantage in Tithing & I do it with great joy & delight. It doesn’t take anything out of me but Pride. Whether or not one thinks Tithing is for today, I’d rather give than NOT, I ‘d rather preach that people give, than NOT…because however you look at it, there is always advantage with giving, than not giving. I will now rest my case until we all see in heaven…by the grace of God 🙂

      • eliteinchrist
        Oct 21, 2015 @ 19:57:29

        I am on your side with regards to the argument thing but what proofs did you provide, personal experience or scriptural proof? Personal experience no matter how positive that doesn’t line up with scripture is no proof at all.

        Here’s an example, in Acts 11 those early believers who believed that gentiles had to be circumcised were not happy that Peter went to Cornelius’ house until Peter confirmed his vision and their receiving of the Holy Spirit with scripture

        15 And when I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came down on them just as on us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

        They stopped the criticism at that point. So if pointing out scripture is ‘analyzing scriptures with mental capacity or intellect’ so be it but again personal experience that you cannot support with scripture is no proof at all.

        God bless.

  12. Chrissy H.
    Aug 20, 2015 @ 14:35:17

    Good Morning EliteinChrist!!!
    Beautiful answer ~~~♥
    You are blessed in discernment & Wisdom & knowledge.
    It is a pleasure & honor to know you through this site.
    Shalom & May God Bless you like a warm spring shower, always.
    Have a wonderful day~~~♥
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    Sep 30, 2015 @ 17:51:39

    I would like to know if we hold the bible to be the Word of God and use it to interpret itself, how will we arrive at the truth? What if we discovered that the book we’ve been staring into for so many years have been used to ensnared us? That Free Masonry / Roman-Greeco philosophy is the great mind behind the “Word of God”? Fact or Fiction?

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    • eliteinchrist
      Oct 01, 2015 @ 08:58:59

      Very interesting view but methinks that since the books of the bible were written by different writers over time with all of them saying the same thing, it makes it easy to collaborate stories and interpret the Bible. The Holy Spirit is also on hand to help us understand.

      In term of the Free Mason angle, I highly doubt it because:
      1. I don’t think the Free Masons have been around that long
      2. The bible offers freedom without a catch, something am not sure the Free Masons offer
      3. Some of the events in the bible have already been proven by science
      However, I’ll like to know why you are thinking along these lines.

      Thanks

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  14. Kevin Bidwell
    Apr 29, 2016 @ 06:26:17

    I am fascinated by your aim to “examine God’s word without personal interpretation”. This is of course the purpose of historic Creeds and Confessions such as The Nicene Creed of the Westminster Confession. These church documents sustain historic truth “out of the Scriptures” and agreed by the church. Could you inform us what church you are a member of and what historic Creeds of Confessions that you subscribe to? Your doctrine of the church will colour your personal interpretation of the Bible. I would love to hear this answer. I believe that Carl Trueman has a book called “The Creedal Imperative” which people tell me is very helpful.

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    • eliteinchrist
      May 05, 2016 @ 12:42:47

      Thanks for stopping by. You’ve asked a rather tough question which I might struggle a little to answer but I’ll try nonetheless. Over the years, I came to discover that churches tend to interpret aspects of scripture in ways that suits that stance on issues. This is usually spearheaded by the leaders or founders to exert as much control over the congregation. After falling victim to this sort of thing when you believe that those in leadership are never wrong and having it fail so spectacularly, I now look to the bible and the bible alone. I do however use the Hebrew Greek concordance and an array of bible commentaries to try and understand context of things that happen. As such, I do not subscribe to any creeds that I’ll struggle to find scriptural backing for.

      Thanks

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